1. 

   MacBros
   December 19th, 2011 - 03:39

   I’ve thought about doing it. But not Milk and Eggs. More because of the crazy price of meat these days. I like meat too. But I would like to eat more non meat things. Problem for me is I live by myself and produce doesn’t keep very long. And I’m lazy when it comes to preparing food. I’ve seen vegetarian dishes and they just seem to be a lot of prep work…

   Do you feel better though. I know a lot of friends who are Vegan and they just seem to have all this energy. Is that what you get when you cut out meat?
2. 

   MacBros
   December 19th, 2011 - 03:41

   I just proofread that comment. Jeepers I must be tired. Sounds like a frigging 12 year old wrote that LOL

   3:40Am and I’m still up. Fuck why am I still awake!?
3. 

   JJ
   December 19th, 2011 - 09:24

   I do feel better. I feel energetic and positive. I get up every day at 5:30 or 6. And I go to bed around 11 or 11:30. I go to the gym 2 or 3 times a week. And I rarely feel tired. I still drink and play in a band and have fun – so my life’s not entirely health-conscious.

   And making food has become really easy for me. I guess I just got into some good habits. Bean and rice burritos, pasta with vegetables, hummus and pita bread, stir fry, etc.

   And when I was still eating milk and eggs it was even easier. Pizza and cheese hoagies and cheese enchiladas, etc.
4. 

   Ev
   December 21st, 2011 - 10:19

   I respect and salute you for your conviction. And you’ll never hear “you’re weird or what’s wrong with you” from me, so long as you don’t get all preachy like almost every other Vegan I’ve ever met has.

   I don’t disagree with people having opinions. I disagree with them splattering them about the place when I’m trying to eat the very delicious souls of the cooked creatures that provide me sustenance.
5. 

   JJ
   December 21st, 2011 - 10:29

   Any preachiness about anything is annoying. I try to keep to myself for the most part. Even my wife and kid eat chicken from time to time.
6. 

   Ev
   December 21st, 2011 - 10:48

   *high fives*
7. 

   Kieth
   January 26th, 2012 - 12:46

   I respect your choice but I don’t agree with you. I support vegetarians who don’t eat meat or whatever for the purpose of feeling good. Some people just feel better when eating only vegetables. And thats ok. But not eating meat for ethical reasons is the thing i don’t agree with you. You see if you don’t kill and eat that cow, or lamb or whatever, it doesn’t really matter, wolf will. Because you know nature is all about food chain. You know, wolf doesn’t really give a fu*k about cow crying over her baby. And there are some technical things you kinda forgot, yes cow cries over her baby but in return gets food all year around, you know cows have nothing to eat during winter because all of the grass is frozen, so most of them would starve to death. Next thing cows eat like mad, if you give them a ton of food they would eat it all at once, and then die from gases. So first generation of free cows would eat and eat and die, second will eat and eat and damage the ecosystem so the grass cant reproduce and then die of starvation. Next thing cow produces from 15 to 40 liters of milk a day, that would be like 4 to 10 gallons. Thats enough to feed like 60 children, so one baby cow vs 60 regular babies. And finally that baby cow, drinks her mothers milk for as long as it grows up enough, so really it doesn’t miss his mom that much, and again one important thing, if you don’t “steal” that cows milk for a couple of days or week or two she gets sick, like her tits get really nasty infection, and then she is in pain and with no aid probably dies.
8. 

   JJ
   January 26th, 2012 - 12:53

   That’s a weak ass argument. We’re not wolves, man. We’re people. We care about inflicting pain. We don;t want Michael Vick to drown dogs and we don’t want to rape cows and steal their babies.

   There are three ways to look at it:
   1. Hurting animals is cruel. I’m not going to do it.
   2. Hurting animals is cruel. And I don’t give a shit. So I’m going to keep doing it because fuck them.
   3. Animals are property, like machines or vegetables. I’m going to pretend to think they can’t feel pain. I’m going to act like they don’t have emotions. We might as well take advantage of cows and pigs and chickens and parrots and rabbits and cats and dogs.
9. 

   MacBros
   January 26th, 2012 - 14:24

   I’m not a Veggie, I enjoy meat. But that’s my choice. But I agree why veggies don’t, these cows and other farmed animals for food consumption are not treated the best. Most of them are born grow up and live their short lives in cages. Sometimes even having to lay in their own filth. Some places use high voltage to kill them others slit throats. To me that’s horrific. I’ve actually seen how cows, pigs, and chickens are slaughtered, and lets just say it’s something I can’t ever get out of my mind when the topic arises.

   Oh and there are no wolves in these farms to take over should we just stop slaughtering them. So yea, that WAS a weak ass argument.

   I still eat meat thought, and enjoy it. I’m able to ignore where it comes from. As far as I’m concerned there’s a factory that grown Steak Plants in a huge garden that they sprinkle water and sunshine on till it’s time for the meat harvest.
10. 

    JJ
    January 26th, 2012 - 14:34

    I totally get that. I do a lot of things that I might regret if I stopped to really consider the impact. For example: buying a product when I don’t know for a fact that it wasn’t produced in a sweatshop. We choose our battles in life. And in some ways ignorance really is bliss.

    On this subject, I’ve chosen to give it just a little more thought.

    I sound like such a hippie.
11. 

    MacBros
    January 27th, 2012 - 04:15

    LOL – funny that I see this on Tumblr now – http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfq0yYq3A1qd8642o2_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1327738488&Signature=D8f39yOmjdcgaeBOMnM5vyX75Y4%3D
12. 

    Kieth
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:04

    Guys, I don’t grow cattle, nor slaughter them, but I am agricultural engineer I run machines do, not cows. I’m not trying to convince you, I’m just saying. Yes inflicting pain on animals is kinda inevitable. But: first of all, cows grow on farms, yes but if you don’t grow them in farms their usual habitat is mountains, and on mountains there are wolves. And I should know that because my father is an organic farmer and he grows cows on fields for milk, and he has to defend them from wolves by shooting at them. Anyway let me tell you a story, only way to replace meat protein is from soy. Which in most cases is genetically altered, that is not a problem for you but if you knew how genetically altered food is grown, then you should know how total pesticides poison soil and kill bees in that region. And when you mess up with soil it takes like ten years to fix. Please guys, this is my job, I indirectly make food. Second of all, vegetable proteins are good for women, but less good for men, because men are not able to digest them right. Next thing, it is ok to talk about not killing animals in areas with good financial standards. But as you might know replacing all of the good things from meat with fruit and vegetables is possible but more expensive, and many people are not really in the position to think about that kind of stuff. And finally growing animals is much much more good good for environment than farming plants, because you use much less diesel fuel, and you don’t cut forests for more fields and so on. Guys like do some research.
13. 

    JJ
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:08

    You’re implying that you can grow cattle without farming plants. It’s quite the opposite. The amount of deforestation required to support cattle is way beyond what would be needed if that land were used to feed people.

    ” growing livestock feed in the U.S. alone requires 167 million pounds of pesticides and 17 billion pounds of nitrogen fertilizer each year across some 149 million acres of cropland. ”

    “If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million,”

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=meat-and-environment
14. 

    JJ
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:11

    And the protein requirement is a myth. Long term full-life studies have been conducted – particularly on vegetarian Seventh-Day Adventists.

    “Since 1954 more than 250 articles have been published in scientific journals on the Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle and health. …
    SDAs in general, have 50% less risk of heart disease, certain types of cancers, strokes, and diabetes. More specifically, recent data suggests that vegetarian men under 40 can expect to live more than eight years longer and women more than seven years longer then the general population. SDA vegetarian men live more than three years longer than SDA men who eat meat.”
    http://www.sdada.org/position.htm

    You don’t need meat protein.
15. 

    JJ
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:15

    I haven’t had a single gram of meat protein since 1992. I eat very little soy. I eat vegetables and grains and legumes and nuts and fruit.

    I’m 5’10″, 160 pounds. I lift weights 3 times a week. I bike to work every day. I’m running an 11 mile endurance race in April.

    I’m a fucking animal, dude. I could run circles around you.
16. 

    MacBros
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:35

    Yea, come to think of it, you don’t see Fat Vegetarians do you?
    The only side effect I’ve heard is that your shit is huge!
17. 

    JJ
    January 27th, 2012 - 15:37

    Haha. True! I shit twice a day every day.
18. 

    Justin
    February 18th, 2012 - 19:47

    After all that noise meat still tastes good, and there are still people starving in the world. Does being a misanthrope solve anything? Does giving human rights to livestock make any rational sense? Is there a practical solution here or does Gary Yourofsky just like all the attention he gets from the police or has he just found a novel and unique way to get laid? I do believe that animals feel pain, have emotions and there is unnecessary suffering but these vegan types are nothing but fascists. Refuse, resist.
19. 

    JJ
    February 18th, 2012 - 20:11

    It’s hardly fascist to opt out of the cycle of death that’s supported by the man.

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